Hi ladies,

The way I see it there need to be some changes in the way Ius / Exodus is organised. Don't get me wrong, I really like the way it is going at the moment. But I think there could be some big improvements. It's all going a bit sloppy in my opinion:

- The PA hall looks messy. There's no real theme in the main hall... some tables, some couches, a bar, a band and a big skull. If we want to present ourselves in a good way I think it's important to have a certain atmosphere. Right now its more like a cantina then a PA hall (I wouldnt mind it looking like a cantina, but we'de need other tables and chairs etc). The vendor area would be better of without all the "cool" stuff lying around imo. And I think all the vendors should be inside (except the big metal pieces of junk). If we move the crafting station to a different room, and the chairs as well they're be enough room for a second row of vendors which will probably be enough.

- No good introduction for new members. The new members need to get their asses kicked to the forum, they also need to immediatly buy a house and place it where the one accepting them tells them to place it (Dushy, Kioko, and me are still fucking around with our housing). This means we have to have a good supply of small houses. (buy them from someone get Thix to do a factory run for like 30 houses, whatever) All give them the url to the forums. Have a standard welcoming mail (which tells them to get their ass to the forums and tell them how high the taxes are etc, tell them to encourage other players to ask for info on the city (not the guild) and basically tells them how to behave). Have a standard welcoming post on the forum, telling them again how to behave etc, and that an invitation to the city will not mean that you automatically join the guild, but that we will definately evaluate them for a position in the guild.

- We dont have an active guild leader / organiser / whateverer. I don't even know who the guild leaders are. (well I know Xui is the mayor but thats it.) We cant have too many leaders either imo. We need like 3 people to be in charge and note everyones opinion. Eventually there will have to be some desisions made.

Basically right now it's too much of an FPS clan. Which in a lot of ways is cool (nice atmosphere, good humour, etc) . But if we want to make something of the city we'll have to communicate a lot better. It's getting too big to just discuss things in guildchat. I'de like to propose a weekly guild / city meeting or whatever eventually. But first things first. We need to do a lot of polls just to see what everybody is about (everyone needs to sign these polls, so allways include a "dont care" option)

Some things we need to find out:
How much people can spare weekly for taxes.
What people would like to do hunting wise.
If players like to go on PvP raids.
A list of every Player and their proffesion in the guild (keep this updated) and what they plan on becoming.
Do we want a guild uniform and if so what colours should it be (the orange black doctors dress looks great, but wookies cant wear it).
Find out if everybody wants to allways wear the uniform, or just on some occasions.
Find out what professions are missing, what people want to fill those gaps in the proffesions.
See if we want to cooperate on mining stuff. Discuss what you need on the forums. Assign some people as miners (the aspiring master Crafters). Have them focus on 1 type of resource, give them mining stations etc.
and I bet there's a lot of other stuff unclear.

Leaders of the guild, please let me know who you are. And if you plan on handeling these issues. I have a lot of free time on my hands so I could try and help out with information gathering etc.

sorry if this post is a bit incoherrent, I haven't slept much so I guess I'll use that as an excuse.

Love that signature highn

pwned :p

M

There are no guild leaders. Some people take it on themselves to kick proceedings off on certain issues, but thats as far as it goes. The founders of this guild are all friends from other games, so we appreciate and respect each others decisions. No one wants to be on that plateu of being seen as the leader of the guild.

However, there is a slight chain of command whereby those of us who started the guild have more say in things over others and this is purely because we formed it, and not becuase we became designated leaders.


As for keeping things in order. Well go ahead cos Im sick to the back teeth of the place looking like shit after Ive tried to make it look good. I agree that no-one should be keeping their shit in the pa hall. And the housing situation is really pissing me off too - your house n particular Highn, but thats all im saying on it cos it drives me fucking mental trying to explain myself all the time.

What happens when you give someone else administrator rights in your house and he kicks you out? If he gets the lots I think it would be best if someone would just place 3 houses for me kioko and dushy. Im really irritated with those 2 atm since im fixing a lot of shite for them but theyre doing crap on there own. Ill talk to them about that.

I dont care about the leader as a status symbol. I just want someone who manages to get some communication going. Right now it's just the oldies (that formed the guild) discussing stuff without including the other guildmembers, at least thats how I see it.

Ok a serious response.

Essentially we're seeing a move from what we were to what we will probably need to be to be 'successful' in pvp. At present we're small fry - we are a squad and would get totally mauled in pvp by much larger imperial guilds.

Unfortunately the scale of an MMO requires much larger organisations of players to compete in certain areas. What we need to decide is whether or not we want to compete in those areas. As more of us achieve master levels in our professions we will need to do pvp and faction stuff or the game will grow old quick. We also need experienced pvpers to protect our jedis when we get them. I know a lightsaber looks the mutts nutts but in pvp you're gonna be free faction points until you have done the first couple of jedi skill boxes at least.

So phillosophy aside I will address your points in order.

The PA Hall - Totally agree. We know where the other rooms are - the bar (Imo) should be in the back. I think the guild hall centre should look like an exclusive shopping mall with nice loot and unique items modelled in select locations to showcase our prowess and achievements.

New Members - oooo controversial comment here - do we want any? We need to decide our direction once and for all and either stick with it or go our merry way imo. IF we are going to take in new members then we need all of what highn has posted here. We need help and advice to be frequently posted in so we can tell people to read the forums for the obvious questions. I don't mind doing a general melee f.a.q and a general firearms f.a.q

Guild Leader. Contrary to popular belief we do have guild leaders and they have their own forum. Its hidden and we discuss things there. We tend to discuss most of our stuff in guild chat or on voice comms as we have known each other a long time this works well. We don't look like we have a leader cos we rarely need one - each of us takes the lead in what our strengths are. I rarely handle recruitment cos I am a pussy and don't like upsetting people - so I ask vehas and deltacca to handle that as they are far better at that sort of thing than I am. I try and organise things and help out in other ways. In that respect we do have a leadership council as it were.

We're not organising things because at the moment we are all tooling about doing our own thing. Also in the past when we have organised things people don't show, don't read the forums or gu and frankly - take too long getting their fuckin arses in gear.


If people won't show for organised hunts or read that - what makes you think that they will show for a town meeting? Its a great idea and the polls are lovely ideas but again I am unsure as to how well they will work. It will also piss any leaders off if they organise this stuff and nobody bothers to show up.

The things we need to find out (in order):
Yes, Yes, Yes, Will get very messy, Unlikely, Yes, Yes, Already doing this on a smaller and possibly more private scale, Yes

Leaders - well nearly all of us discuss it - Dunno about leaders - I am in the leaders forum cos I have teh POwah as does xui, delta, fisha, kir and vehas

Simon

Some good ideas there mate.

Regarding uniform, what if we had something that people would only wear during hunts or PvP together? I'm sure they'll be something of a similar design or colour for wookiees...

well make sure we know what you have decided then. I just want to be informed thats all. And im sure others will want that as well. As for growing or not I agree that that's the most important thing to discuss right now. I personally would like to keep the guild small, maybe with 4 - 5 active and nice people added, but on the other hand i would like a shuttle port because i think thats good for business.

The biggest problem i have though is that all kinds of stuff is treated as "normal" to you guys while for a lot of the new guildies (including me) it might not be normal at all. For instance my house placement, i mean I placed it where i was told to place it. Later i removed it and while placing it somewhere else none of you actually helped, you all acted like it was supposed to be really easy while for me it wasnt.. that kinda annoyed me and later i got some complains that dushy and kioko didnt have there own houses. But none of you mailed them personally or came with an architect that sold houses.

Untrue - but most of our discussion is done on comms and in gu - if you aren't here you won't see it.

Ironically we haven't decided anything important other than whether I will go all pvp or what we want to kill that night in a long time.

City discussion is up and people do have access to it. The general discussion is up. I (via fun4forums - fragsy is a star!) can give you the tools to discuss and raise issues but I cannot make people register and read them, and this is an age old problem. Essentially I am chuffed that we have another member wanting to give something back and get involved but we also need to balance that with discussion and ideas.

So stop whinging or I will change your sig again :p

Simon

Kioko, Dushy and Drek didnt get the url to these forums when they joined the guild. Nor did anyone urge them to build their houses.

As for the organising bit, I'de like to do hunts with doctors and cm's around sometimes. And not that when I finally reach the place where we're hunting everyone leaves.

About the discussing part. I just figured you'de deside on more stuff other then your characters, like wether or not Ius should grow.

Dushy I have never seen and as for drek and kioko well I assumed that had been sorted. Most new members including yourself have had the forum url at least 3 times in /gu. I know cos its always me who gives it to you.

The problem with hunts is that you take ages to get going bud. On occasion I have gone hunting with you in the group at around 9pm and you have rolled up an hour and a half later. Whilst you can spend all night playing I really do need to be offline by midnight at the latest so I tend to be leaving hunts between 10:30pm and midnight. I can't stay up later anymore - I am an old fart

I hate it that it happens like that but there's not alot I can do about it atm, we take too long getting ourselves organised tbh.

Whether Ius should grow has been discussed in the past ad infinatum. Essentially I don't care anymore. Corellia is city capped so there's no chance of a starport at all until another city fails. We could discuss moving into another city somewhere else but this has traditionally not been recieved too well as our crafters have built reputations on their goods and everyone knows where the pa is. It seems as though at present we can't do much even if we do grow so should we hold fire as we are or should we push for township and go for other facilities.

I think xui wants to go for more facilities and I am happy to support him in that and that is why he wants kioko and dushy to plant houses. As I said- its not that we don't include people - I think its that we are so used to doing this stuff we just do it - but I can see how it looks as though we don't include other members and that is not and has never been out intention.

Simon

Did I get kicked?

Is gu the guild chat?

aye

/gu

The PA hall i agree with, The vendors should be in the front..

Leaders : I was a CL in rtcw for over 6 months, it was a fucking tough and often shitty and thankless job, hence why i try not to lead here. Im a bossy sod anyway which may sound authoritarian but anyone who has known me for more then 15minutes should realise thats just me. Tbh in a game like this i dont see a great need for a GL, Its not a team based game where u all have on objective. People have their own agendas and you have no power to stop them following it.

I do think when we pvp we could develop tactics, I mean we did ok last night though it was very FFA, but i think with the group tef system its always gona be a bit FFA.

Introducing new members: Yes I can see how we have been a bit neglectful here and i apologise. The fact that sometimes it might seem we are quiet is probably due to alot of us being on comms so things arent written in Guild chat, if people want to join the comms channel they should PM revor as its his server, and he will sort u out with ip and passes.

Organised Hunts: Tbh atm i find them pretty dissappointing, apart from the assing about trying to get everyone in the same spot, we have people running off and aggroing random mobs, alot of the stuff we are hunting turn out too weak when we are grouped and it begs the question on if its worth bothering i.e. the Stormtrooper camps last night. I enjoy a challenge, not just plowing through missions for the sake of it.

one last thing


I play this game so I can have a laugh, make some fake money and attempt to experience as good as job of the SWG as im ever going to in my life time. Ive been a fanatic SW fan since i was 4 and got the millenium Falcon for xmas, so really this game even with its faults is a dream for me.

I love being in a guild with people i have known for a long time, as well as meeting new people, BUT, i play this game for my own enjoyment. New members have to take responsibility for themselves to a certain extent, if they have questions, then PM someone, if you dont want to risk sounding foolish in gu... tbh if i recollect no senior guild member has NEVER not answered with complete helpfulness, we are helpful guys, but we also play the game for ouselves.

I tell you what i will do though, i will make up a message in notepad with all the stuff a new member needs and will send them a welcoming email with certain details.

Guild hunts are always going to be a problem simply because not everyone has the same abilities. When I was master TKA most other people were still faffing around with lower lvl combat trees so what was good xp for them was a couple of hits for me which basically meant if I went hunting I'd steal all their xp, now I think there's a couple more people who have mastered the elite combats so it would make more sense for the group stuff again.

As said in some other thread shuttleport is out of the question for a while now as the city cap has kicked in so we don't need any frantic recruitment drive and can afford to be more selective as to who we choose, preferably people who a few people have spoken to for a while, the spook fella that Highn suggested seems decent and was in our city last night as he was buying stuff off my vendor so he must be interested. He even asked me if I had any scout skills so I could train him to get my APs so I'd certainly agree with Highn about him.

We have a few people that seem to be AWOL atm too I know there's a few of use who spend way too much time playing so our ideas of playing regularly differ but there's some people I've not seen for weeks, I don't mind that for city members but I'd like to think that with a PA member if I needed something off them I could atleast ask them for it within a few days of deciding I want it (preferably seconds though as I'm impatient) not so much of a problem atm as the people that aren't around are pretty much combat based and not crafters, but that will still make it much harder to organise hunts unless we know people aren't going to be around for a while. Plus do we have any idea if Rammeh is keeping his account as he's never on, not seen p00py in ages either even though he said he's see us on Sunday 2 or 3 weeks ago, until we know what we're missing professionwise we can't plug the gaps.

he had to reinstall his pc and hasnt got round to installing swg again yet.. Each time he goes to do it he decides he has more important rl stuff to do. He is coming over to mine this weekend so ill kick him into touch then.

about the CL part .. I know what its like Ive been a CS CL for a year and a half. We had daily practise sessions that started at 19:00 and lasted till )0:00. Was too much work for too little gain imo.

About the hunts. I am willing to organise a weekly raid/hunt but I'll need help from the more experienced players to see what will be a good target for us. (Like Vehas said.. not too easy, yet doable). The reason hunting doesnt work is because people take an hour to get there (have other stuff to do etc) this could be sorted if we'de just arrange stuff beforehand.

The PA hall. As it is, I'de like to pay a master Architect to decorate the pa hall.. thatll cost a lot but I cant be arsed to do i by myself. I dont have any experience with it either. And I doubt anyone else is willing to do it. If I was a master Architect things would be different. Or if Thix made me everything he could make 2 times ide give it a shot.

thats about it... for now

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Hein.. Highn

No-one will be designing our PA hall but us.

well someone do it then. I know its not going to be me cus i dont even know what items architects can make.

Have you seen the PA Hall yet? It's been slightly reorganised and looks 10 times better.

What we now need is to start decorating other rooms like the basement, but this will probably only be for consistency as no one goes down there much.

With regards to hunts - the only organised hunts that are worthwhile are those which drop decent loot. I see no point in pissing around gathering troops so we can go get xp. I can get 100k xp in doing sharnaffs by the time people are organised. Sorry if this sounds anti-social, but I really hate wasting my time. I'm not too keen on the whole PvE combat of SWG, so when I decide to stop pissing around and go hunt somethng, I want it fast and furious. As soon as I get master and am able to spit out insane damage, I'll be PvPing like a madman.

There's a few people who when asked to hunt get there and get there fast, if you want to group hunt make sure you're one of them.

Well actually Vehas encouraged me to move to Ius when he recruited me.
My problem so far has been that I cant seem to get my hands on a large house.
I've mailed to Thix and gotten an answer. Hell make me one when were both online. I've been online prolly 10+ hours a day since I joined and havent seen him online though. And Ive contacted other master architects but either theyve been French and didnt know a word of english, or theyre charging 120k+ to make one.
So thats really why I havent declared yet.

I for one think that the guild should try to grow because more members will make it easier to get ppl to come to planned events.
It will also be easier to make more sensible hunting groups where combat abilities dont differ too much.
My experience from EQ is that the bigger a guild is the tougher are the stuff it can kill and the tougher the stuff you kill the more fun youll have and youll get phatter lewt. I dunno if thats true for SWG though.

On the other hand we dont wanna just let ppl in cause then we risk all sorts of asswipes joining up and ruining the fun.
Its a good idea to group with possible members or at least talk to them a while to get an idea what kinda ppl they are.
And if they seem to be good ppl then let them join on a trial period.
Then if they arent compatible with the guild you can always kick them out again w/o too much fuzz.
Also the bigger a guild is the more "managing" it requires. And most of us find that boring as hell.

Btw...Xui do you really have such big knockers?