Dear god, the stupidity never ends.

This is what I regularly face whenever I'm playing WoW:

(I'm Kazcandra, if you couldn't figure that out)

Also, finally found a good UI compilation:

Mazzle UI

One of the bestest and easiest setup UI's I've seen, has a built in installation wizard that sets the UI up for all classes and all screensizes.

And feral druids rock ofcourse

tbh m8 I think that conversation in group isn't showing your best side also.....

Luke

Lol I thought Kazcandra was the person you were complaining about.

I have little patience for idiots. And this guy is a prime example.

Ah well, good times were had ^^ (forgot that you guys don't know the backstory to that convo) - and I can't really bother caring about what people on the internets think about me.

After all, the Internet is Serious Business.

I think I dont ever want to group with you Azaz, sorry m8

It is a great loss for me, I'm sure.

As to the background (this was posted at a different place first) to this convo:


I really don't have a problem with newbies, or people that don't know the game well enough. But at 60 you SHOULD know your own class well enough. Have you completed Ramparts yet, by the way? I bet you haven't. You do need, after all, 2 feral druids, 2 priests and 1 warrior for it. That statement is just downright stupid

I mean, come on, the guy is obviously retarded. I can group with newbies, and I can group with assholes, but when he refuses to listen to reason (I have, after all, done ramparts with warrior tanks and shaman main healers), it does go on my nerves just a little bit.

Sounds like you should have just left the group before it all kicked off tbh, you didn't want to be there as healer, so you should have just gone elsewhere. Seriously its a game, its not worth the hassle, besides much like TBC anything you do now for quest or loot will be obsolete when the next expansion comes out.

Like luke I don't think you came out well in yer original post even with the background you still don't sound great. You think hes an ass, no doubt he thinks the same of you. Just don't get invloved mate, like I say its not worth the stress. Personally I've never been to an instance saying that I would only want to stay in shadow from, but I kinda expect not to be the main healer all the time since my heal gear was generally poor compared to my DPS gear & it would be a waste of my main talents.

Also on a side note, WoW is the fastest leveling game I have ever played, MMO or standard RPG. People can still be newbies at level 70 now, since it doesn't actually take that much longer to get from 60-70.

I'd have just left the group. PuGs are bad at the best of times, but when the leader starts spouting shit it's just not worth the hassle. I wouldn't have left because I had to heal but because the leader seemed to think he can boss people around and I'm not particularly good at being told what to do.

I've found people are a lot more tolerant of shadowform now though. I haven't been asked to leave it at all yet.

Humm

My mains a priest - and despite what was said above I'm finding getting from 60 --> 70 a long time. I've just dinged 66 last night. Work. RL etc.

Couple of points, I respect your decision to go shadow. I understand you deal damage and find healing irksome. IMO when people yell for priests they expect healers, and get confused when they start to deal dmg. One reson I went discip, (sub shadow), as a main tree was I could heal / do dmg as the need arose. It does eat the mana pots tho ...

Now the frustration. No, you don't come across too well. Neither does the other leader. There were some strange decisions. It would have been interesting to see if the other dude had the language filters on.

There's some pretty strong language bandied about in there. 'Retard', for example, I find offensive. It's demeaning and derogatory. As is some of the other stuff you say.

Side point - please remember you may be playing with someone who is 12, or 15 etc, despite the hulking high specc'd nature of their character and moderate your language accordingly. Apart from da gings, who are mostly adults, and used to swearing. Or use acronyms.

Please remember m8, its a game, its not real, and if you get hastle leave. I've done and had FFS /IGNORE sent to me in a /w. On the other hand I've plenty of people I meet up with who go, 'yeah I'll hlp you, you're on my friends list lol' etc.

In short, chill

I'm surprised at the responses tbh

Yes Azzy went off on one in general (something I try not to do) but having a pop at someone in group is something I've done on many occasions. Along with having a pop in officers and guild when I've been particularly incensed.

What surprises me is that you sat in the group for that long az - I'd have been out after the first set of dialogue.

There are plenty of people in gings whov'e said what azzy's said and worse in pugs I've been in. I've said worse in the past myself.

I know there are kids playing the game thurs but let's be honest. I'm not paying £9 a month to be some lazy tosser's baby sitter. If parent's can't educate their kids to behave civilly or even intelligently online, I'll be fucked if I will.

I dunno - as I'm writing this I realise I sound like an arrogant git but if I added up all the hours I've spent trying to help and educate idiots who ignore advice and generally spend most of their time typing things like "l2p or Lolz" I'd be horrified at how long I've given these pond scum to disprove my first impression. Very few of the people I've spent that time with and tried to help have ever ended up being worthwhile time sinks.

One good and bad thing about cs:s. I don't have time to get to know them, I don't want to get to know them and I get to shoot them if they piss me off.

it was also the best thing about neocron

M

Look Fatty, I've said thanks, now get off my case.

nothing better than going up the lift to the guild house opening the door and letting rip on poor unsuspecting guild mates that happened to be standing there with my trusty Fusion Cannon.

Azaz,

From what I can make out from talking to Inv, Vaul and the other Tanks in guild, the warrior actualy has a fair point. Warriors aren't making the best tanks at the moment. Feral Druids in Bear form are being blessed with a lot of health and AC which is probably making them the best tanks atm. Prot spec Pallys also seem to be pretty good at tanking as well.

Warrior tanks are having difficulty holding aggro as well as they once did. This isn't to say they can't tank at all, because of course they can, but I can understand if at this moment in time they're all respeccing DPS as tanking is becoming a pain in the arse.

For what it's worth, I would have left the group far earlier and mainly to get away from you and your attitude!

Warriors can't tank, huh? Meh, warriors tank just fine, let be it takes a bit longer to build up agro on multiple mobs while a druid can swipe and then just keep swiping every now and then. Most people just aren't used to have druid tanks, but even pre-BC druid tanks were at least as good as warrior tanks in 5-mans/20-man content. Thet being said, they "good" warrior gear is to be found at lvl 66+ while druids get quite a bit of upgrades early on, boosting and almost capping their armor for a few levels.

On the matter of shadow priests and main healing: If someone clearly states that he is shadow and joins on that premise (i.e. dps + secondary/passive heals), the group leader should know better than to order him/her to main heal. Yes we can heal, but due to the lack of regen/cheap heals (even though in healer gear), we don't last even half as long as a holy/disc priest. I've kept my "main" priest (I have 2) as shadow even though she's 70, just so that I can do all the NS/SMV quests before i respec. Sadly, this means I have to say no to instances as main healer. Works like a charm as dps/secondary healer with for example a loltree that can't rezz more than once/30 mins (Not that we de much and when we die, we usually wipe anyway ) or a healadin who hasn't specced fully in holy.

Not gonna comment on the language, but as a rule of thumb, replying to "stupid" people in the same language they are using won't improve the situation, as won't starting a flame war in general chat etc... but then again, I'm spoiled, I don't PuG much and we only have two chicks aged 17 and 19 in my guild while almost everyone else is 25+

feel the,.. .. emm.. love ?

I hope you're levelling up a US account for me John. I need a 70 hunter, rogue, mage, priest and shaman thankyouplease. Also epic flying mounts for all would be appreciated.

ok serious side. iv been a bit dodgy around warrior tanks just due to all the
"war's cant tank" "were not as good as a druid" talk going on, and i die more.
So untilled i had seen Inv at it, i had reservations..

SP. I've been pulled into grps after making sure they know im a sp,
to find im main healer i just say well get a healer or i'll have to leave..
No point getting arsy or aggressive (although when i have the above looks a like a nice lighthearted convo tbh), it just makes the whole things worse,
but if it dose progress that far "well u were told, GL and bye bye now. " i feel is the best option.

An alz up to the /1 comments i think u were harsh but, its understandable and fair...
but going to /1

druids - tank of choice when lvling 60-70

warriors - tank of choice from 70 in the raids

ty bb

Haha no shit



We demand photographic evidence.
Of them obviously.

As for the rest of it, my mains a hunter so I don't get a say

of course I could have left the group, but it was a kind of perverse thrill out of actually trying to get through to the other guy.

Also, you on alliance might be able to get by with just leaving a group and hop on the next, but on horde... groups are rare (at best!) for Hellfire Citadel (remember, my priest was 61 when I was in that group... maybe 62, can't recall.. was way back on saturday, after all), so you have to take what you get, really.

Re: Warriors as Tanks.
It's bullshit. Of course they can tank. People are doing Shattered Halls, on Heroic Mode, with warrior tanks. It's a bit harder for them, that's true, but it is not impossible for them.

Also note that my "attitude", as you all so kindly put it, isn't much to talk about. I don't act like that all the time (in fact, very rarely - but missing training for over a week makes me kind of a not happy camper, I guess), and you are, after all, missing about half an hour of me trying to tell him that warriors can tank, and we don't need double druids and priests for Ramparts.

Also, if people can't take the language, they can leave the wordfilter on. If they accept that some people have a ... more colourful language than others, they'll have to abide by that.

In the end, I guess I am a troll, and actually enjoy pissing people off. Not always, and never with guildmates/friends though. But complete strangers? Yeah, it's bound to happen now and then, if only because it's fun and productive.

There are times in life where you can actually do yourself a favour by being quiet....

Oh I could post photos of Erika and Becky, but I won't - I'm a nice guy ya know... (yeah right, bullshit, we just want them for ourselves, mwhehe) That being said, I can assure you one of them is pretty really very cute

Come make a trial account alt on Hyjal-US Beans (or anyone else for that matter), I'll powerlvl ya from lvl 20-21 Or just come make a shaman, we have no shaman mains in the guild

warriors can hardly tank for shit atm,

the only reason we can is due to taunt and a bit of luck

our threat generation has not improved to the point where it scales with all the new gear dps classes have. I hold aggro better in my dps gear where im actually generating a lot more rage and taking more damage to make more rage than i do in tanking gear.

you can only build up threat through rage and rage generation in tanking gear and 1h+shield is extremely small due to the amount of armour and defence on the tanking items at the minute.

I've capped my +def in regards to being crit. While this makes me much easier to heal, I don't actually generate enough rage to hold multiple mobs. Warriors on bosses are fine, but trash pulls are a joke half the time.

I worked it out if i stand a certain distance from a mage by the time he pulls aggro and i taunt and he pulls it again, by the time the mob has reached the mage my taunt has cooled down.

That is no way to tank. It's pure luck half of the time.

The only good thing about dps classes doing much more damage is that mobs rarely go for healers any more as their threat generation is a lot lower in comparison to say rogues or mages.

I'm not making this up, as mt in mc/ony etc for over a year i would only lose aggro to people not listening for dps calls, I'm not about to turn 5 man runs into a raiding situation but the current rage and threat generation of warriors simply doesnt scale to match other classes which is the whole problem right now.

I cant remember what new ranks of heroic strike/sunder/revenge we get up to 70 but with all the +spell dmg and +ap gear for dps classes warriors have nothing at all that increases threat generation.

The other problem warriors have with driuds is the fact that the druids tanking tree is also their dps tree wheras warriors have to pick one or the other towards end game. Plus druids can still heal 'okay' being feral.

Cool, I smell a discussion - I'm in!

Regarding, threat gen, I agree. However, I don't see this as a big problem; One really shouldn't have to run around in a ton of +def gear for anything but bosses, much like druids can/do sacrifice some hp/armor for +def/+res when they fight bosses. Yes, it might suck a bit to have to switch gear (press a key) before engaging a boss, but it's an easy fix to a big part of the rage gen. problem. And again, for a warrior, keeping agro on multiple mobs still sucks. Using assits makes it a great deal easier, but there really should be some kind of warrior equivalent to swipe for gaining more initial agro than what ya get from say demo shout.... :/

Agro? Now if the mage draws agro, is he/she or the warrior to blame? Of course there's no "always right" answer to this, but for as long as the mages wait a bit with the dps and doesn't all out but say 90%, there shouldn't be a problem. Have the mages/whatever pay some more attention to the damage/crits. If they pull agro and you taunt back, any decent mage should know to give the tank a bit of time to apply some more threat on the target before he/she (the mage) starts firing his cannons again.

On healing, yeah, feral druids in healer gear can do some "ok" healing, but why would he be in healer gear in the first place and who would bring a feral druid as healer to an instance? Solo? Hell yeah, feral druids are probably one of the best - if not the best - solo class atm.

BAH!

I was hoping for some pictures of shovels, hammers and saws.

Very misleading topic tbh - Anglo-American language barrier ftl.