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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 10:50 pm 
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Well, after seeing a mage in action I thought it was time to get serious with my 1st pure casting char

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Thats the lvl 60 spec I was thinking, basically increasing spell crit chance as much as possible through talents, and adding some bonus damage and mana regen in the proces. Mages talents suck monkey doodles I think so I'm open to sugestions from people that actually stuck to a mage till 60.

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Mage Talents
Minimum Required Level: 60
Required Talent Points: 51

Arcane Talents -  28 points
 
Improved Arcane Missiles - rank 5/5
Arcane Concentration - rank 5/5
Improved Arcane Explosion - rank 5/5
Evocation - rank 1/1
Improved Counterspell - rank 2/2
Arcane Meditation - rank 5/5
Presence of Mind - rank 1/1
Arcane Mind - rank 1/4
Arcane Instability - rank 3/3

Fire Talents -  23 points
 
Improved Fireball - rank 5/5
Ignite - rank 5/5
Incinerate - rank 2/2
Pyroblast - rank 1/1
Improved Flamestrike - rank 3/3
Burning Soul - rank 3/3
Improved Fire Ward - rank 1/2
Critical Mass - rank 3/3

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:08 am 
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Just did a quick browse on the WOW forums and a couple of builds spring from the masses

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21 arcane for Imp. Arcane Explosions, Imp. Counterspell and P.O.M
30 Frost for chills/freezes..

It seems as though once you get past the vanilla instances fire is useless as most mobs are immune. Having said that just about every mob other than Nefarion is Immune to Chill according to the forums.

At the end of the day matey - I'd go with what you like. Worry about 'end game best build' when you get there unless you're bored and trying to plan a talent spec and gear about it to take up time whilst surfing from work.

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1.9 is bringing in spell penetration so mob resistances will become less important.

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I would post my spec but i'ts easier to say.....all in ice :)


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Arcane Talents - 21 points

Improved Arcane Missiles rank 5/5

Arcane Concentration rank 5/5

Improved Arcane Explosion rank 5/5

Evocation rank 1/1

Improved Mana Shield rank 2/2

Improved Counterspell rank 2/2

Presence of Mind rank 1/1

Fire Talents - 30 points

Improved Fireball rank 5/5

Impact rank 5/5

Ignite rank 5/5

Flame Throwing rank 1/2

Pyroblast rank 1/1

Improved Flamestrike rank 3/3

Burning Soul rank 3/3

Critical Mass rank 3/3

Fire Power rank 4/5

Frost Talents - 0 points

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 2:00 am 
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Thats the lvl 60 spec I was thinking, basically increasing spell crit chance as much as possible through talents, and adding some bonus damage and mana regen in the proces. Mages talents suck monkey doodles I think so I'm open to sugestions from people that actually stuck to a mage till 60.



First of all, would your build be a one for soloing, group questing or instancing or for pvp? For soloing, your specc looks pretty decent. For PVP. it's very nice. For grouping/instancing, I'll toss in a few suggestions.

My advice to you, seeing you're focusing on arcane, would be to skip the three points in critical mass and three in improved flamestrike, instead investing those in Arcane Subtlety (40% less threat when doing arcane dmg - i.e. Arcane Missiles) As a mage, you do a _lot of damage, resulting in a lot of hate from mobs. That 40% less hate skill is really nice to have. Drop the other three points in improved arcane mind. remember, those 6% extra mana will be worth more and more the more base mana (int) you get :)

Further, I'd skip the one point in pyroblast. Pyroblast is - imo - a pretty shitty skill unless combined with combustion. Put that point in the Arcane tree tier 7 - Arcane Power. That skill is awsome combined with Arcane Explosions. Besides that, it will compensate for most of the potential damage you loose from dropping some crit chance skills in the fire tree.

While you are at it, start thinking about the two points in improved fire ward. When do you use fire ward in the first place? Well yeah, when fighting mages and some warlocks, but mostly when fighting fire elementals - and those are immune to the reflected fire damage...

With the above changes done, you'd have crippled your fire spell crit chances a bit, so you'd might have to consider loosing your 5 points in ignite. Rather use those points in improved fire blast. With 4/5 points in that skill, you will be able to channel a round of Arcane Missiles, releasing a Fire blast, and channle another round of AM's, followed by yet another Fire Blast - where the cooldown timer just has recycled.


Arcane Explosions vs. Flamestrike
90% of all AE'ing as a mage is about spamming as much dps as possible while getting spam healed. Flame strikes do a lot of initial damage, but are slow and you risk getting interrupted when the shield's faded. In addition to that, your tank(s) needs to taunt the lot unless you want half the crowd coming running your way when the initial "flame" has landed on them, meaning they won't be subject to the dot - unless you wern't standing next too the tank(s) from the start. Arcane explosions do a bit less damage due to the lowered crit chance, but you never risk getting interrupted. In addition to that, very few mobs are immune to arcane.


About frost
Frost builds are, as someone already mentioned, really nice for end-game (MS, Onyxia and BWL), but requires a bit of focusing on dps gear - thus reducing all extra mana from int gear - if you want to keep up with arcane and fire mages. Frost speccs are really nice for solo farming, too; frost nove and blizzard, blink. Rince, repeat.


So...
What you would have with the above changes made is a mage that in a fight lasting 10+ seconds, or where you have many mobs to fight at the same time, would do almost as much damage as with your suggested specc, but generating a lot less hate even when kepping your finger on the trigger.

For grouping and raiding purposes, that's something I'd strongly recommend. For soloing, it's pretty good too, let be maybe not as "fun" as you suggested specc. For PvP, which is pretty much about doing as much burst dps as possible, it's less appealing... ...keep your specc :)

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